what is good historical evidence and modern evidence of magic usage

[1Based Frog1]

I think that the main disagreement you'd run into when pitching this to atheists would be along the lines of "how do I know that my body does stuff because of my consciousness? If I write some poetry about the conscious experience of the color red, maybe that just happens to align with my conscious experience of red because my consciousness reflects the brain responsible for both of those things. Maybe I feel red this way for the same reason I describe red this way." or worse, "I am a strange loop, a mathematical pattern thingy, but also I am an illusion for some reason I guess so I don't really exist I just feel like I do (which is an illusion that I feel something because I don't feel anything albeit)"

The issue is that they assume physical explanations should be able to account for something that might not even be physical in nature. Like trying to measure weight with a ruler.

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

The issue is that they assume physical explanations should be able to account for something that might not even be physical in nature.

Atheists are known for their circular reasoning

 

[Itransheartblox]

religion miracles or something