“Traditionalist” men are the most pathetic non-masculine men

[James]

I've never met one man in person who identifies as a traditionalist so I can't say.

I am James. I am James the traditionalist.

 

[panchito]

PS. use some full stops nigga, this whole block is a single sentence

apologies, i forget about them often

 

[Spas]

But the competition for sure wouldn't make not appearing immasculated and pathetic difficult at all especially the competition from peers around my age.

>3 negatives in a row

 

[General Niggnin]

Clearly a retarded faggot, I criticized the nature of your post not your shitty point, but if you insist,
>masculinity is subjective
Objectively false, words have meaning.
>putting people down for not being “masculine” or “traditional” is pathetic
Putting people down for undesirable behaviors is a basic function of society. Shaming is an innate social mechanism found in every human, the fact that you don't see this and retort to lefty brained dollar store psycho analysis is comically expected.
>it shows you have anxiety about your own masculinity
And what's next? I'm also gay for being against sodomy? The grand wizard of the KKK is black? Are we really going through this rigamarole, is that the level of discussion?

To circle back to the rest of your gay retardation
>if you need “culture” or “traditions” for your identity you never controlled your own identity in the first place
What's this mean? How does this assertion make sense to you? If I "base my identity on culture and tradition" or whatever, isn't that my choice? Am I not choosing, thus having control of my identity? Or am I only in control if I chose something else to form my "identity"? Like what movies I like or what jew economist I worship? Do you interrogate any thought you have, ever, at all?

1 Masculinity is subjective in Scotland it’s masculine to wear skirts
2. So you think because someone looks different or acts differently they should be shamed for it even if it’s not harming anyone mentally or physically? I mean is a “feminine” man really hurting you or is it hurting your ego because a “weaker” man is more confident then you
3. Many male anti gay republicans have been caught being homosexual themselves. Same with priests they just pretend to hate to look good. It’s like how politicians say they wanna fight against crime while they are moslesting children with Epstein geg
4. I’m saying if the only way you can determine your identity is by others your not really determining who you are as a person. It’s like how capitalists say consumers are picking what products get brought and which don’t but that’s not really true since the consumers are being flooded with advertising/brainwashing so much so they don’t even really do their own decisions just what they hear. Albeit it is true that most people are just mirrors of others

 

[General Niggnin]

Laws aren't "real" by your logic and are peer pressure from the police. Does that mean I should go out and kill people I don't like? Obviously not. This argument is retarded

yeah laws aren’t real dumbass it’s a social construct, it can be changed in anyway possible. The entire reason people rape and kill isn’t because we don’t have laws it’s because violence is learned not natural to humans. The reason why there’s so many narcissists and psychopaths in society is because they thrive in the hierarchy, I bet you the majority of narcissists you see weren’t born that way they just saw what elites do and copied them

 

[General Niggnin]

Also some people might be getting my point wrong I’m not saying masculinity itself is bad I think masculinity is good in most contexts but it shouldn’t be an excuse to oppress others

 

[General Niggnin]

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Can't take you seriously nigger

the jannies forced that pfp on me albeit

 

[panchito]

1 Masculinity is subjective in Scotland it’s masculine to wear skirts

congrats sherlock, they wear kilts
do you see them wearing lingerie and makeup while they're at it?
those skirts cover more than half of their legs and they're made out of a rigid wool

you say masculinity is subjective but if it was so subjective my first thought would be "look at how homosexual that faggot looks" and i wanna see what part of this looks homosexual

2. So you think because someone looks different or acts differently they should be shamed for it even if it’s not harming anyone mentally or physically? I mean is a “feminine” man really hurting you or is it hurting your ego because a “weaker” man is more confident then you

me thinks it's projection
you see someone being a flaundering fag outside and it causes you disgust because its unnatural, then it's natural reaction for you to ostracize them be it consciously or not, wouldn't really get near the vicinity of someone voluntarily making themselves look like sissies outside

. Many male anti gay republicans have been caught being homosexual themselves. Same with priests they just pretend to hate to look good. It’s like how politicians say they wanna fight against crime while they are moslesting children with Epstein geg

jews

4. I’m saying if the only way you can determine your identity is by others your not really determining who you are as a person. It’s like how capitalists say consumers are picking what products get brought and which don’t but that’s not really true since the consumers are being flooded with advertising/brainwashing so much so they don’t even really do their own decisions just what they hear. Albeit it is true that most people are just mirrors of others

identity my ass, you're born with a dick you're a man and viceversa with a cunt
the consumerism metaphor is true though but it's hard to compare it to the stability of the integrity of masculinity in a society

 

[Spas]

1 Masculinity is subjective in Scotland it’s masculine to wear skirts
2. So you think because someone looks different or acts differently they should be shamed for it even if it’s not harming anyone mentally or physically? I mean is a “feminine” man really hurting you or is it hurting your ego because a “weaker” man is more confident then you
3. Many male anti gay republicans have been caught being homosexual themselves. Same with priests they just pretend to hate to look good. It’s like how politicians say they wanna fight against crime while they are moslesting children with Epstein geg
4. I’m saying if the only way you can determine your identity is by others your not really determining who you are as a person. It’s like how capitalists say consumers are picking what products get brought and which don’t but that’s not really true since the consumers are being flooded with advertising/brainwashing so much so they don’t even really do their own decisions just what they hear. Albeit it is true that most people are just mirrors of others

>Masculinity is subjective in Scotland it’s masculine to wear skirts
Talk about retardation! It's like you're trying to come up with the biggest, most worn out non sequitor you could, actually speaking in slogans. Objectiveness of muscular traits isn't undermined by fashion, which is EXTREMLY variable at all times. The fact that a piece of clothing may or may not be seen as befitting of a man at different periods of history doesn't challenge the objective existence of masculinity. Masculinity isn't defined by traditional clothing, it's defined by the nature of manhood. Aggression, strength, competition, dominance, authority, self sufficiency etc these are traits associated with men. These are the traits present and valued in men at a far greater degree than women because they're a part of a man's nature. Whether some bagpipe player from scotland wears a kilt has no relation to the reality of man's nature. I'd say something snarky about how that better not be the best argument you've got but it probably is lol
>So you think because someone looks different or acts differently they should be shamed for it even if it’s not harming anyone mentally or physically?

How does me calling you a faggot for acting faggy harm you? Oh wait, you added "mentally" as well, you anticipated my counter argument... Well how about this: you say the only reason to counter signal faggy behavior is because people are insecure and it hurts them emotionally to see people more confident than them, so there you go. That's how it hurts me mentally and they should stop hurting me right now. Unless this whole "not hurting anyone" thing is a silly way of looking at the world and you actually need to form a worldview more sophisticated than that of a middle schooler.
>Many male anti gay republicans have been caught being homosexual themselves. Same with priests they just pretend to hate to look good. It’s like how politicians say they wanna fight against crime while they are moslesting children with Epstein geg
You're not really saying anything, you sort of undermine your own point there. Yes people engage in immorality and yes they generally deny it. Doesn't really pertain to the discussion in any way whatsoever, it's just a really low effort low iq way of dismissing opposition.
>I’m saying if the only way you can determine your identity is by others your not really determining who you are as a person.
You're using loaded language to obfuscate the point being made. What's the difference between "the only way you can determine" and "choosing to determine"? You're not really saying anything, you're just reframing an assertion to make it align with your presuppositions. Not to mention, that's just what people do. People are social creatures that long for belonging. You're as fallible in this manner as anyone else, you're spouting the most stereotypical, uninspired buzzword salad commie gobltygook possible. The lack of self awareness is atrocious.
>Albeit it is true that most people are just mirrors of others
It's like watching a baby develop consciousness
>It’s like how capitalists say consumers are picking what products get brought and which don’t but that’s not really true since the consumers are being flooded with advertising/brainwashing so much so they don’t even really do their own decisions just what they hear.
Not really related to anything but also a gross mischaracterization. If you're too "brainwashed" to not buy mcdonalds you're just retarded. It's called the power of suggestion, you can only be influenced if you're open to it.

>wordswordswords

 

[General Niggnin]

congrats sherlock, they wear kilts
do you see them wearing lingerie and makeup while they're at it?
those skirts cover more than half of their legs and they're made out of a rigid wool
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you say masculinity is subjective but if it was so subjective my first thought would be "look at how homosexual that faggot looks" and i wanna see what part of this looks homosexual

me thinks it's projection
you see someone being a flaundering fag outside and it causes you disgust because its unnatural, then it's natural reaction for you to ostracize them be it consciously or not, wouldn't really get near the vicinity of someone voluntarily making themselves look like sissies outside

there probably is a amerimutt calling Scots gay for wearing kilts bro, so yes it is subjective.
Also second social constructs aren’t natural all of reality is artificial in fact reality is so artificial we created a second reality that being the internet. to describe someone who isn’t your perfect image of a man as “unnatural” is dumb if we were truly natural we wouldn’t even care about clothes or bullshit like that

 

[General Niggnin]

also the whole “traditional clothes” is so hypocritical in modern society.
If a woman was wearing male clothes no one would bat an eye, but if a man were to wear female clothes people would have a meltdown. Point is, it’s just retarded division literally every human is gonna have both masculine and feminine traits

 

[Spas]

there probably is a amerimutt calling Scots gay for wearing kilts bro, so yes it is subjective.

Such an atrocious non sequitor I fucking kneel

If a woman was wearing male clothes no one would bat an eye, but if a man were to wear female clothes people would have a meltdown.

That's because women are hot when they do it

 

[Beeboop]

there probably is a amerimutt calling Scots gay for wearing kilts bro, so yes it is subjective.

Just because someone calls you gay, that doesn't mean you are gay fucking dumbass

Also second social constructs aren’t natural all of reality is artificial in fact reality is so artificial we created a second reality that being the internet. to describe someone who isn’t your perfect image of a man as “unnatural” is dumb if we were truly natural we wouldn’t even care about clothes or bullshit like that

This issa mental retardation. Social constructs are natural and are based on the environment that a set group of people live in, Hench why middle eastern and south american countries remain somewhat traditional. They are too poor to progress both scientifically and culturally. Also I find if hard to believe that people have this sort of checklist when determining if someone is "traditional" for it is often not so black and white. Traditional masculinity has feminine parts to it and vice versa.

 

[General Niggnin]

Just because someone calls you gay, that doesn't mean you are gay fucking dumbass

This issa mental retardation. Social constructs are natural and are based on the environment that a set group of people live in, Hench why middle eastern and south american countries remain somewhat traditional. They are too poor to progress both scientifically and culturally. Also I find if hard to believe that people have this sort of checklist when determining if someone is "traditional" for it is often not so black and white. Traditional masculinity has feminine parts to it and vice versa.

Humans aren’t environmentally connected anymore doe, we have given the machine so much control that any modern social construct is based on psyops not real reality. Also just because a country is poor does not automatically mean it’s “traditional”. Many of the Trad people do have a checklist also it’s funny that “traditionalists” say they hate degenerates when some trad women (not all of course but some) are “traditional” because of a fetish

 

[panchito]

there probably is a amerimutt calling Scots gay for wearing kilts bro, so yes it is subjective.

not my fault amis are retarded and can't know better
also 5 out of the 6 men in those pictures have long skirts kek, just WHAT are you trying to prove? i could also go outside in a kilt and nobody would care because i don't look like a fruity deviant while doing it, if you wear something like the guy in the bottom left picture i would understand it, and even then it looks more satirical than anything

Also second social constructs aren’t natural all of reality is artificial in fact reality is so artificial we created a second reality that being the internet. to describe someone who isn’t your perfect image of a man as “unnatural” is dumb if we were truly natural we wouldn’t even care about clothes or bullshit like that

artificial decisions from niggas millions of years ago that we can't change now and are extremely engrained into our nature, almost natural to us now, that we can't change unless you create a time machine and tell those niggas from megaannums ago to stop being so patriarchal and bigoted, animals in modern times still look for mating partners judging by the proportions of bodily members and even using accessories to do it, like bigger shells for hermit crabs and azure decoration for bowerbirds
it's called biological ornament

also the whole “traditional clothes” is so hypocritical in modern society.
If a woman was wearing male clothes no one would bat an eye, but if a man were to wear female clothes people would have a meltdown. Point is, it’s just retarded division literally every human is gonna have both masculine and feminine traits

as @Spas said, we are naturally wired to like women and thus they look nice when they wear some vestiment mostly perceived as masculine, still doesn't deny the fact that some just don't fit them and that's how "boymoders" and pooners came to be actual terms, also men in female clothes are disgusting and nothing will change that

 

[nusoicaca]

If a woman was wearing male clothes no one would bat an eye

trvke. We should force women to wear skirts

 

[James]

There is an objective truth for everything. The Trinity knows the objective truth for everything. The objective model of masculinity is the Son. The objective principles of clothing are to always dress modestly and to never cross-dress.

 

[James]

There is an objective truth for everything. The Trinity knows the objective truth for everything. The objective model of masculinity is the Son. The objective principles of clothing are to always dress modestly and to never cross-dress.

The Trinity designed mankind to be naked and unashamed. That is an objective truth. Christians will be naked and unashamed in Heaven.

 

[Chud Tzu]

If a woman was wearing male clothes no one would bat an eye,

It is written: “A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.”

 

[Liquid Chud]

congrats sherlock, they wear kilts

Such a kino movie

 

[Liquid Chud]

The Trinity designed mankind to be naked and unashamed. That is an objective truth. Christians will be naked and unashamed in Heaven.

So much so that Adam and Eve only start covering themselves only after they disobey the Lord

 

[1Based Frog1]

Masculinity has to have originated somewhere for it to seed a culture. There have to be some people with an authentic, innate experience of what is now called masculinity. Same goes for homophobia, sexism, racism, prudishness, empathy, oath-respecting and a sort of basic libertarian instinct. I'd argue it even goes for some sentiments that form the foundation of patriotism. I am very confident that I have felt innate racism, and pretty sure for a few other things.

If something is culturally infused, should I stop considering that part of my self? Should I only seek to scan my tabula rasa for ancestral blood memory clues to construct my personality? Should I try pretty dang hard to discard everything and then just have fun like FNF? Jartypunk? Not giving a single dang fricking heck?

I am not very convinced of the inferiority of the culturally influenced self. I have come to be, I am what I am. I can't just free myself from the early years of my life where I was led into thinking and acting a certain way, there's no difference between that and destroying myself to create another creature. I don't yet feel vengeful enough against society and the people who raised me to destroy myself just so that I can better spite them.

But the culture I'm in still fails to create masculine men, so it isn't like I cherish the frankenstein masculine culture that made me. Something is broken about it, it doesn't even reproduce itself when it has offspring to work with. I'll have to study history and get creative to give them something that is lively and stable.

You're overcomplicating this. The fact that modern culture is failing to produce them isn’t because masculinity itself is unclear, it’s because the system is designed to suppress it. Culture itself is downstream of biology. Societies that respected this survived. Societies that didn’t were conquered.